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Interviews:
Ed Reiss Web Site
Pioneer, National Psoriasis Foundation Advocate and Former Board Member,
Interviewed by Ed Dewke
Dewke: What do you say about a fellow who has been a physicist, a lawyer, a biotechnologist, a computer programmer, database engineer, inventor, entrepreneur (the list goes on)? If you called him a renaissance man it might very well be the first time in your life you've used that expression with complete propriety. You may or may not call him a "friend" and "mentor." But I would. My friend, Ed Reiss, had been a stranger when we first exchanged emails in the mid 1990s. I had written a book and wanted to build a web site through which to sell it and aggregate a community of like-minded people with psoriasis. Ed Reiss was building a web site for the National Psoriasis Foundation; he was a font of knowledge about both psoriasis and the web (along with another Ed, Ed Anderson) and he was among the first psoriatics to understand my "darkly humorous" approach to the subject of flaking.
My mentor, Ed Reiss, taught me by
example to use the web as a tool to expand my knowledge about —
and understanding of
I told Ed months ahead of time that I wanted to interview him for the 10th Anniversary update of FlakeHQ — September-October 2006. Then, when it came time to start the interview process, Ed warned me that our timing couldn't be worse because of unavoidable commitments on his part. I cajoled; he relented. The Q&A you are about to read consumed lots of midnight oil on Ed Reiss's part. On behalf of all of us, thanks for the extraordinary effort, Ed. And you, dear readers: Please set aside a few comfortable minutes to read this interview. You will be rewarded. -Ed Dewke ***** Dewke:
Tell us about your psoriasis. How
long have you had it? How severe? What treatments have you tried? How
would you summarize the disease's impact on your life so far?
The first direction, advocacy, is already being trail-blazed. The Web is an opportunity for any large group of people having mutual interests to leverage their numbers and be viewed as a meaningful political force. There are an estimated 6-7.5 million people with psoriasis in the U.S. alone, and 120 million world wide. The energy required to send a message to Congress using the automated forms in the advocacy section of psoriasis.org (or on a congressional representative’s Web site) is minuscule compared to the potential payoff. The other direction relates to psoriasis research. The Web has already proven useful for recruiting research study volunteers, and I think it also has the potential to be an effective tool for collecting research data. As an example, the Psoriasis Foundation has recently announced its Victor Henschel BioBank project as a major effort to collect a library of DNA samples to be complemented by ongoing patient data. Being able to associate continuing course of disease, and response to treatments to genetic makeup is the type of information that will allow researchers to understand the underlying causes of psoriasis to a greater extent than they do now. The Web holds promise as a potential future collection point for that ongoing data.
Dewke: Can you tell us about any scientific research planned or underway that focuses on the potential relationship between diet and psoriasis? To me, diet-based theories and treatment regimens constitute this huge “other planet” in a solar system called “how to treat psoriasis.” Yet for a number of obvious (and probably a larger number of NOT so obvious) reasons, I’ve encountered far less literature regarding research about diet and psoriasis. In the past six weeks I’ve encountered two “new” theories associating psoriasis with what we digest. Intuitively and anecdotally, the link persists. What do you know; what do you think? Reiss: There have
been research studies performed on the potential relationships between
diet and psoriasis, but they've been relatively few in number.
Diet-based clinical treatment studies present challenges that other
clinical research studies don't. Dietary regimens can be complex, with
several foods (or groups of foods) and supplements being excluded or
included. This makes it difficult to interpret results, which could be
attributable to one, several, all, or none of the foods/supplements or
their components included or avoided in the study — not to mention
synergistic interactions. It also makes it difficult to monitor
compliance by study subjects, especially over the long time frames that
proponents of some diets claim are necessary to wait before visible
results appear. Clinical studies on dietary supplements also have to
face another hurdle — the verification of the supplement ingredients.
Dietary supplements are currently not required to adhere to the same
manufacturing standards and practices as prescription medications, and
natural products can contain hundreds of ingredients — some of them
known, and some of them unknown. Another dietary element that’s been studied in respect to psoriasis is gluten, a constituent of wheat and other grains. Some people have an immune response to gliadin, a component of gluten, and produce anti-gliadin antibodies, (AGA), without having full-blown celiac disease. A study published in the British Journal of Dermatology in 1993 showed that 16% of the psoriatic study subjects displayed high levels of AGA. A subsequent Swedish study in 2000 found that 30 out of a group of 33 people with psoriasis who produced AGA experienced significant improvement when they adhered to a gluten-free diet. (I should probably mention that this study has been criticized for using an inadequately sized control group.) There’s a good article on gluten and psoriasis at the National Psoriasis Foundation web site: http://www.psoriasis.org/publications/advance/200406_gluteninterview.php
Since I mentioned a number of research and case studies in response to this question, I think it's important to qualify that the scientific implications of a study depends on a number of factors, including the number of study subjects, the presence of a control group, and "blinding." If the number of study subjects is inadequate, then there is an increased likelihood that the study results will be random in nature and therefore meaningless. The advantage of comparing treatment results to the results of a control group receiving a placebo is another issue. It is well known that a placebo alone can influence the course of a disease being studied. This is especially true for psoriasis, because the immune system can be influenced by the central nervous system, and thus our state of mind. Blinding — where the study participants and/or the researchers conducting the study don’t know if a particular participant is receiving the treatment or placebo — is another technique used to reduce the chance that the placebo effect or subjective evaluation on the part of researchers will influence study results. The statistical significance of research study results is a much more complex topic than what is covered in this paragraph. The important point to remember is that an uncontrolled study with relatively few subjects can produce an outcome that may be interesting as anecdotal evidence, but not useful as proof that the treatment being studied is effective.
Your question is specifically directed to dietary theories. I think it’s
important to draw a distinction between a dietary regimen (a list of
excluded and included foods) and a dietary theory that associates a
specific regimen with psoriasis. A healthy regimen that provides a
balanced and nutritious diet has value whether it helps resolve
psoriasis or not. A dietary theory that associates a regimen with
psoriasis should be held to the same standard of scientific scrutiny
that other theories regarding psoriasis are subjected to. It should be
based on presumptions supported by scientifically established facts, it
should be logical and consistent with what has already been
scientifically observed about psoriasis, and it should be scientifically
verifiable.
Dewke: Flakers have never had so many product choices for palliating their P, and some of the new ones (e.g., biologics) are proving to be unprecedentedly effective. If our arsenal of ways to suppress the symptoms of P continues to grow and improve, is the energy (i.e., initiative and resources) to find a cure likely to dissipate? If not, what will motivate continuing the search for a cure? Reiss: That’s a tough and speculative question, and there are plenty of people who can give you a better response than I can. There are preliminary questions to consider: How expensive and accessible will the new treatments be? To what degree will they be covered by health insurance? How convenient will they be to administer? What are the side effects, contraindications, and dietary or lifestyle restrictions? Will they successfully treat all types of psoriasis and all levels of severity, or only a few? How long will they remain effective? What will the future federal research funding climate be like? I’d also need to know the meaning of the word “cure.” Is a single pill or a single injection that needs to be given once a year a cure? Some people may consider that a cure, but others may not. A cure in the classical sense implies a single treatment that would permanently eliminate the susceptibility to develop psoriasis for everybody with the disease. I would never say “never,” but I don’t believe a single cure of that type is likely to be found because of the genetic diversity of psoriasis. There are currently around twenty genetic loci that are suspected to harbor genes or other types of functional genetic sequences that play a role in psoriasis. Most researchers believe that more will be discovered. The implication is that different forms of psoriasis, and the potential to develop different levels of severity of psoriasis, may involve interactions between different sets of genes. Genes that predispose to psoriatic arthritis would also have to be factored into the equation. To produce a true cure that eliminates psoriasis susceptibility completely would require that selective gene therapy be applied to each individual psoriasis genotype (genetic profile). As a result, there would be several cures, as opposed to a single cure. However, gene therapy is a very new approach, has not often been successful, and would take an indeterminately long period of time to develop. In any case, this scenario lies at an unpredictable future date. For the near future, I do not think that increasingly effective treatments will derail future research into the nature of psoriasis, the search for a cure, or the search for better treatments — for a number of reasons. The first reason derives from the fact that psoriasis is an immune mediated disorder that shares characteristics with several other immune disorders including Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, scleroderma, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis. All of these diseases taken together constitute a very large target for drug companies. If a specific immunomodulatory treatment is successful for any one of these diseases, it increases the likelihood that it may be a potential treatment for the others. And out of all of these diseases, psoriasis provides the easiest method of measuring response to treatment, since it visibly manifests on the skin. It also affects a relatively large percentage of the population. Consequently, pharmaceutical companies often consider developing a psoriasis version of an immunological treatment before they attempt to apply it to other immune disorders. Even further interest has been spurred by the success of the first round of biologic medications. As a result, there is a large amount of ongoing pharmaceutical research seeking to develop novel psoriasis treatments, which in turn contributes to knowledge about the underlying mechanism of the disease process. Another significant factor is the current trend in basic psoriasis research to seek out associations between psoriasis genotypes and phenotypes. (This just means that there is an attempt to associate groups of people who have specific sets of psoriasis-implicated genes, with corresponding specific sets of symptoms and responses to treatment.) This strategy is good news because it may lead to the identification of new genes that have not been previously implicated in psoriasis. It could also eventually lead to more targeted treatments that are keyed to each individual’s specific genetic profile. It’s almost a mantra among people with psoriasis that “what works for one person will not necessarily work for somebody else,” and one contributing factor is the genetic diversity of the disease. If a future treatment is designed for a specific genotype, and a person belongs to that genotype, (which even today is easily determined), the odds are much greater that there will be a positive response to treatment. By further reducing the elements of trial and error, genotype specific treatments should generate more consistently effective results. Significantly, genotype/phenotype research is one of the early, necessary steps in the search for a real cure. Not coincidentally, it’s also one of the major incentives for the development of the National Psoriasis Victor Henschel Biobank. Finally, I don’t think that anyone who has children with psoriasis or psoriasis in their extended family would stand by and let the search for a cure come to a halt. We all know that what we have to contend with today, our children and grandchildren will have to contend with in the future. Better treatments are a wonderful and necessary first step, but we want to remove the future burden of having to continually treat this disease. People with psoriasis can be the masters of their own fate and the fate of their families by supporting a search for the cure, and I hope that this opportunity is not going to be ignored.
Dewke: The copyright notice on the bottom of pages at your Psoriasis (and Psoriatic Arthritis) Online Toolbox says “2002-2006,” which means this resource has been available to folks like me for at least four years now. The best word I’ve come up with for describing the utility of the Toolbox is “indefatigable,” because when I’m looking for answers to a FlakeHQ correspondent’s question it’s impossible to wear out the Toolbox. It appears any question about P that HAS an answer can be plumbed using the Toolbox. Please tell us the story behind its creation. Why did you build it (or perhaps “assemble it” is the better expression)? Why (and under what circumstances) would you suggest someone try using the Toolbox? What tips and cautionary notes might you have for newbies to the Toolbox? Reiss: I originally built the Toolbox as a resource that would allow me to look up information before and during National Psoriasis Foundation conference calls. I thought it would be useful to have a tool that would allow me to look up psoriasis-related information on the internet at a moment's notice. I was already using Ed Anderson’s search tools on his Skin Page, but I knew of resources he didn’t list that I wanted access to. As a result, I decided to build a customized search page for myself. The first version of the Toolbox contained a series of links and search forms that I slapped together into one web page for the single purpose of quickly searching for any kind of information I could conceivably want online that was psoriasis-related. I later added two other pages containing links to preformatted Pubmed searches and links to FDA regulatory documents relevant to psoriasis. Initially, the Toolbox was optimized for speed, and not very user-friendly. In fact, I deliberately kept it streamlined without instructions or user guides. Despite the lack of user-friendliness, I decided to keep it publicly available for a few friends and any advanced web surfers who might find it helpful. The Toolbox remained in that state for three years until I rotated off the Foundation’s board in June of 2005. At that point I decided I should either remove the Toolbox permanently or make it suitable for use by the general public. In the end I decided to keep it online and give it a major face lift and redesign. It took me a few months to update the resources, separate and annotate the links and search forms, and write instructions for inexperienced users. I published the current version in October of 2005. I tried to make the Toolbox suitable for self-education at multiple levels. In particular, the links page was designed to help an Internet beginner understand the categories of information that are available online, and then present resources that fall under each category. Although I try to list as many resources as I can, I know I can’t cover them all, so I point to other patient-driven communities and “meta-pages” that provide links, including Ed Anderson’s Skin Page, Kim Malo’s Psoriasis Newsgroup Faq, and FlakeHQ, among others. I also point to the National Psoriasis Foundation web site as the best place — by far — to start looking for detailed, patient-oriented psoriasis information, and to actively participate in psoriasis advocacy and outreach. The Toolbox’s “Search Tools” page was modeled after Ed Anderson’s “Skin Page” and requires the ability to use a search engine form. That might not seem like a big requirement, but there are many people who are still uncomfortable with online technology. The “Literature Searches” page contains preformatted Pubmed searches that are relevant to psoriasis. It also requires a familiarity with online search engine outputs, and with the biomedical terms being searched upon. The last page in the Toolbox contains links to a wide range of regulatory documents on the FDA web site that discuss medications used to treat psoriasis. It’s currently geared to a more professional audience, but also includes links to resources that offer patient information sheets.
Dewke: Obviously, Ed Reiss advocates patient initiative in the management of psoriasis. The “take charge” theme has been advocated by the National Psoriasis Foundation and echoes through the professional and volunteer work of many visible people in the flaker community, including everyone who has been interviewed at FlakeHQ (and everyone on my wish-list for future interviews). Whether or not you planned it — and I rather doubt you did — you are a leader in this community and a model flaker for the “take charge” theme. Frankly, I’d not want to be your dermatologist (unless I was extraordinarily humble and a firm believer in ad hoc continuing professional education). Yet, when I look back over the past 10 years, I find that your advocacy, your leadership, has, for the most part, been quiet and self-effacing. It’s like Ed Reiss is rarely visible on the radar, but when important things happen, he’s either involved or standing by to explain. If you will indulge me (indulge us) for a final few moments of reflection, I want to put you in a position for which I feel you were born: Pretend, for as long as it takes you to react to this, that I have just been diagnosed with psoriasis. I am moderately affected with visible plaque lesions. Ed: What do I have to look forward to? How should I handle this? What should I do? Reiss: That’s really flattering, but there are many people who are repeating this message, and it’s been around for a while. There are also many unheralded volunteers and health care professionals, online and off, who devote their own personal time and energy to help people with psoriasis. I think that the message you’re talking about is taking hold today more than in the past, because it’s badly needed in an age of complex modern medicine and managed care. The dissemination of the message is also being aided in a big way by the ease of delivery of information over the Internet. The first thing I would tell someone who has been newly diagnosed with psoriasis is that it’s not the end of the world. Most of the new developments in understanding and treating this disease have taken place in the last 20 years, and are just beginning to pay dividends. If I had to choose to be a person with psoriasis at some time in the last century, I would choose today. There are more effective treatment options for people with severe and moderate psoriasis than ever before, and there are more on the way. The first step I would recommend taking is to contact the National Psoriasis Foundation, visit their web site, and extract as much information from www.psoriasis.org as you possibly can. The Foundation has resources for people who are newly diagnosed, and pages of information about types of psoriasis, treatments, coping, relationships, getting support, lifestyles, obtaining insurance coverage, and finding a good physician, among others. You might initially focus on understanding the disease, then the different treatment options. Once acquainted with psoriasis.org, I would hope you would consider joining the Foundation to help further its mission. If we don’t collectively advocate on behalf of ourselves, nobody else will. The next important step is to determine treatment options that are right for you. If the diagnosis of psoriasis was provided by a general practitioner, these options may be limited, and it’s time to consider searching for a dermatologist. During the search, it’s important to remember that dermatology is a broad medical specialty, and not all dermatologists specialize in the treatment of psoriasis. Cosmetic dermatology is a growing trend within the profession, and many dermatologists who specialize in this area will not even take on psoriasis patients. One place to start searching is the physician database at psoriasis.org. A listing in the database is not the same as an endorsement, but each listing includes the physician’s years of experience treating psoriasis, the number of psoriasis patients treated, and the range of treatments that are offered. Another option, if you live near a university-affiliated teaching hospital, would be to check that hospital’s dermatology department for psoriasis specialists or a psoriasis treatment center. Physicians who direct or work at such facilities usually have access to a broader range of treatments, and to ongoing clinical research studies. When meeting with a doctor for the first time it’s worthwhile to be an educated patient. Only you know the types of risks you’re willing to take and the benefits you are seeking — and having familiarity with potential treatments gives you the ability to communicate clearly and intelligently. Don’t be afraid to ask questions: “Why this particular treatment?” “What are the potential risks, side effects and contraindications?” “What is the proper way to use this medication?” “How long will it take before I begin to see results?” The respect that a physician’s expertise demands shouldn’t get in the way of having a candid conversation about needs and expectations. The best type of doctor-patient relationship is a partnership, with respect accorded on both sides. If you are denied insurance coverage for a needed treatment, or unable to afford medical insurance at all, (an all too common occurrence today), or co-payments for recommended treatments — there are several options that you can pursue. The National Psoriasis Foundation provides an Advocacy section on psoriasis.org that teaches self-advocacy with insurance companies and provides strategies, sample letters, and supporting material. There are also patient assistance programs run by non-profits — sometimes supported by pharmaceutical companies — that provide expensive medications at little or no cost to people who meet certain income qualifications. Phase III clinical research studies may also provide access to FDA approved medications or treatments that are otherwise unaffordable. If you are considering participating in a phase II study, in which the treatment being studied has not been pre-approved, then it’s important to understand the risks and benefits inherent in that treatment. There is detailed information about the questions you should ask and your rights as a study subject in the Clinical Research Trials section of psoriasis.org. If you are uncomfortable with the choices offered by western medicine, and choose to follow an alternative or complementary treatment regimen, then vigilant online self education is the key. A good place to start searching for information about alternative psoriasis treatments is the Alternative Approaches section of psoriasis.org, which provides information about different alternative and complementary approaches to treating psoriasis, and links to other resources. When investigating claims made by people selling, marketing or using alternative treatments, there is no substitute for personal research. You can’t take anything for granted. If research studies are cited, search for them using the Pubmed database, which can be accessed at the National Center for Biotechnology Institute web site. If a patent is claimed, look it up using the search engine at the US Patent and Trademark office web site. Search the FDA web site for references to the manufacturer or provider of a psoriasis related product. Search the domain name database at internic.net to find information about the registered owner of a domain associated with a psoriasis-related web site. Both the Psoriasis Online Toolbox site and Ed Anderson’s Skin Diseases page at pinch.com provide consolidated links and search forms for most of these resources, allowing you to access them all from one web page. The Toolbox also contains links to consumer resources and online tracts describing how to find reliable health information on the web. There is no perfect formula for choosing the right approach — that path differs for everybody. But you can educate yourself until the facts about psoriasis and the treatment options that are available become familiar territory. After that it becomes a matter of personal choice.
Dewke: Thanks for granting us this interview, Ed — and for being at least partly responsible for the 10 years it's taken FlakeHQ.com to get to this point. Your advice was essential to me a decade ago, and you have written many things in your answers here that will prove valuable to all of us in the months and years ahead.
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